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I want to bring up an issue mostly about capping points.

 

So..

Currently when capping you get respect (which is for the most part pretty useless) no matter what, and you get Poptabs (what most people are after) in looting crates. The problem I have is the way the rewards gets distributed.

 

- Story Mode (you may skip to the conclution if you dont like reading) -

Once upon a time I decided to go for a Capture point. I roll out in my amazing Quad bike like the champ i am, I scan the capture point from a "safe" area while sniping off the enemy AI's; One by one they fall to the ground! 

After displaying my awesome sniping skills i decide to drive into the cap point so I can get my hands on those glorious Poptabs. I get the message that says i have to cap for 10 Minutes. Thinking to myself "It's too late for me to turn around now". I decide to continue my mission.

 

[Enemy AI are comming to retake Capture point B]

Fearing for my life i reload my trustworthy sniper rifle. I spot the enemy AI and take them all out one by one. 

A few minutes passes as suddenly 2 rapid waves of AI spawn to yet again take over my capture point. There's too many of them. I get overrun and im now hiding amongst 15+ enemy AI just inches away from me. I take off my silencer thinking i need every bullet to do as much dammage as it can, I turn on full auto on my gun thinking spray and pray for dear god..

 

The time has come for me to show what im made of. I pop out from my hiding spot shooting 3 enemy AI's within a few seconds. Knowing that ive drawn their attention towards myself i chug out a few grenades and take out a fuckton of AI's. With the adrenaline rush i now have i run arround shooting everything i see, i take cover like a champ, avoid getting shot at all costs. Ive entered FUCKING RAMBO MODE at this stage!

After killing every AI in the compound i take a quick moment for myself to catch my breath, thinking "dang im a GOD".

 

Ive finally battled for 10 excruciating minutes and with a relief the message pops up "Capture point B has been completed". Thinking to myself ive made it. I locate my glorious reward crates, i rush to the first one so eager to get my hands on the poptabs ive displayed so much skill for.  Thinking now i can finally upgrade my crib so i can build myself a pimping pool i open the first crate.

Twenty Three Mafakking Thousand Poptabs! Im swimming in poptabs now, i can retire!

- Is what i tought...

 

*CRACK*

Choose your respawn location..

 

Turns out little Billy had been chilling in his lovely bush for 10 minutes watching some lovely hentai porn while waiting for me to grab my reward.

 

The End.

 

 

 

Now hopefully you got my point.

Currently there are no reasons for players to contest capture points because they can just claim all of the rewards for themselves when 10 minutes has passed, because they just sit 800 meters away in a bush with a sniper while jerking off.

I believe there should be some secured reward for the

players who actually do the mission. Im talking maybe 40% of the poptabs into their locker once the mission is over (rest in loot crate).

 

I literally did a capture point 30 minutes ago soloing the entire thing only to get sniped off when trying to claim my reward. I know that there were at least 5 Enemy players just camping the crates with snipers. And this is my 4th time in a row getting sniped while looting poptabs.

You may say that i just suck or whatever but you really cant collect your reward because the loot animation freezes you, therefore making you an easy target served on a silver plate.

 

Also i know someone will comment "But you get your respect after capping".. To that i say respect is absolutely useless. I have 100K+ respect and i can spend 2 minutes looting and get better gear than what im starting at with 100k respect.. And please fill me in if theres anything i dont know about that i can use respect for; besides getting a tiny bit better spawn gear.

 

 

- CONCLUTION -

 

The flaw in capping atm is that there is no reason for players to contest CP's. Resulting in players just waiting for other players to start a CP and then just sniping them off after 10 minutes has passed with little to none efforts, while the person who capped is left with nothing but 10K useless respect.

 

A way to fix this is simply (as mentiohned before) give the capper some real reward so its actually worth contesting them instead of just sitting in a bush 800 meters away for 10 minutes. And if people are still just camping in a bush.. well then they loose out on 40% of the poptab reward.

 

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I hope someone else has seen this problem and agrees. If you think my idea of locker secured poptabs is shit.. by all means post your opinion below (but show a little respect).   V V

 

 

- Xait

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Many people would disagree with this due to them finding respect useful. The more respect you have, the better load out you spawn with. This can make a big difference as the current highest tier weapon is the Ishmash AK with an RCO. Many players also try to get their respect higher as they have already maxed out their bank meaning that there main reason to be there is to get kills or respect. 

 

If it was to be changed then what reward would you suggest for the capper?

 

The locker would not really be a good solution in my eyes due to it removing the actual point of having pop tabs on you.

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I think a decent incentive to contest and go in and capture CPs would be a decent sized XP bonus to the one capturing the CP.  Getting XP is a bit of a grind at the moment, so adding that to the CPs would be interesting in my opinion. Not too large so it throws everything out of balance, but a good amount to make it worthwhile.

 

As for a little backstory on why it's like this at the moment is because people can't play nice. Previously all money went onto the person capturing the point, however a large part of the playerbase upon completing the CP and getting the money, would simply log out in safety inside one of the CP houses and take all the money with them. So we distributed it out inside the two crates instead.

 

As for your difficulties it's true that people tend to camp CPs, but they're also not too fit for solo players to take on. You can also move around a bit while your inventory is open, just open your inventory and start moving around and you'll be a harder target to hit while you stand there looting. :) 

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It goes both ways though,

most of the times when i do a cap point, i dont actually care about the reward at all,

i just want people to show up, even though im technically putting myself in a disadvantageous position, im confident enough in my ability to spot people, and that my teammates can handle them if needed, that i can take that risk.

 

i can understand how this can be frustrating for those that play solo or dont have many teammates to help them out though, because even if you spot them, chances are if you try and shoot them, you'll get shot from some other direction, and i also agree that there should be some incentive for other players to push into the cappoint as you're capping it, since its scary when you're sitting in a cap point and suddenly the circle on your map turns red.. and thats what i want out of this game, that feeling.

 

i dont think just straight up transferring a percentage of the poptabs to your locker is a good idea though, but there should be something to do inside the cap point, something which will make people want to come inside, i just havent figured out a good way of achieving that yet, but i still figured i'd share my thoughts ?

 

last second edit: MrAndy mentioned an increase in the XP you gain from them, which would be an alright option, i dont play as often as i probably should so my main source of getting XP is from the daily bonus that i get maybe once or twice a week ? its quite a grind to get those levels if you dont play often, yet my teammates always play, so since they have all the perks, repairing and such is faster for them, so it makes more sense to let them repair the car when i crash it (never happens btw), which once again makes me miss out on that repair XP!

 

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7 minutes ago, MrAndy said:

think a decent incentive to contest and go in and capture CPs would be a decent sized XP bonus to the one capturing the CP

 

2 minutes ago, Setavai said:

increase in the XP you gain from them

 

I can increase the XP reward for capturing the CPs. I could also give a smaller amount of XP for group members that are close by, like it does with respect.

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I Appereciate the feedback.

 

I agree mostly with you guys. There are many things to consider. However, at the end of the day i just wish capturing would be an objective that actually includes capping and contesting.

Whether its getting poptabs in your locker, XP reward buff etc.. it does not matter, as long as its more appealing for players to contest the capture point.

 

Glad to see that im not the only one seeing a flaw though!

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1 hour ago, Matrix said:

Many people would disagree with this due to them finding respect useful. The more respect you have, the better load out you spawn with. This can make a big difference as the current highest tier weapon is the Ishmash AK with an RCO. Many players also try to get their respect higher as they have already maxed out their bank meaning that there main reason to be there is to get kills or respect.

 

Having a lot of respect is usefull to some extent, but if it was that important to people they would contest capture points, or at the very least just start them. At the moment i know people who are waiting for caps to start instead of doing it themselves.. Its just easier.

But the subject of whats more appealing to who depends on each player. All i can do is look at the majority and to them Poptabs seem to outweigh Respect.

Also i do agree with you that maybe poptabs on you in person or in locker is a flaw aswell and perhaps not the right solution :)

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As has been said, CP missions aren't really intended for solo players to cap. If you take a CP mission uncontested (even after completion) you can easily make 100k+ pop tabs by grabbing tabs from crates, looting npc and and selling crates. If they are to be balanced more in favor of solo players, the pop tab reward should also be lowered.

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I was told to keep the XP reward the same for the main capper, but any group member within 300m of the CP will also gain some XP.

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I suppose the issue wont be dealt with then. At least not in a way that will give proper results. 

 

You dont have to make it easier for solo players to cap, its suppose to be a challenge. Thats not what the issue is.

 

The issue is that im gonna have to start camping crates like everyone Else. Because thats the "meta" and any other method is Just hard work with small rewards unless you get very Lucky.

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There is no issue. The missions are working as intended. If the very concept of them weren't to invite PvP and campers there wouldn't be three globally announced messages saying that someone is doing the mission and how long it is until its completed.

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Who said there should be No pvp involved?

1 hour ago, Mr. Soap said:

There is no issue. The missions are working as intended. If the very concept of them weren't to invite PvP and campers there wouldn't be three globally announced messages saying that someone is doing the mission and how long it is until its completed.

 

Who said that no pvp should be involved?

 

The global messages original intent is to let people know that unless they Come and overtake the capture point, they Will loose out on the rewards. It is there to create a conflict/exitement for players.

 

The camping players are a bi-product of this. I am okay with campers in Arma. Its what sniping is all about. 

 

Im arguing the sake of how rewarding a players efforts should be.

 

 

This became quite a spicy topic lol

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Not trying to spice things up, I just happen to disagree with you as I think the CP's and rewards are fine as they are. I don't think failure should be rewarded even though you and probably others too feel hard done by after clearing a mission.

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To be honest i think the 20k reward in the crates is plenty no need to increase the money in the creates. and like others have pointed out tge ais have 0-3000 poptabs on them aswell and then there are launchers and creates to sell you can easly get 100k just by doing it. In tge end arma is a game filled with people that just snipe from far away since they suck at CQC combat.

 

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3 hours ago, Conzole said:

To be honest i think the 20k reward in the crates is plenty no need to increase the money in the creates. and like others have pointed out tge ais have 0-3000 poptabs on them aswell and then there are launchers and creates to sell you can easly get 100k just by doing it. In tge end arma is a game filled with people that just snipe from far away since they suck at CQC combat.

 

 

 

The poptabs doesnt have to be increased, everyone would agree on that. I Just want to see more people contest cap points instead of them sitting a mile away in a bush waiting for the loot crates to spawn.

 

Something worth their time needs to be in the capture point while its being capped. Otherwise this meta will continue. And is that fun? One player capping, 5-10 waiting on the outside in bushes.

 

What if those other 5-10 players were inside contesting? That would be whats fun and exiting about arma 3 exile if you ask me :)

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1 minute ago, xait said:

 

 

The poptabs doesnt have to be increased, everyone would agree on that. I Just want to see more people contest cap points instead of them sitting a mile away in a bush waiting for the loot crates to spawn.

 

Something worth their time needs to be in the capture point while its being capped. Otherwise this meta will continue. And is that fun? One player capping, 5-10 waiting on the outside in bushes.

 

What if those other 5-10 players were inside contesting? That would be whats fun and exiting about arma 3 exile if you ask me :)

 

Well as of right now almost all the players are happy with how they are we are not taking the money out of the creates again and we are not making it spawn in peoples banks thats way too easy for you the cap points are ment to be hard to do and hard to get out of. We made the money spawn in the creates for a reason so pussy's cant combat log with the money on them :D

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Then dont do that again.

 

I suppose we cant find a good solution to get people to come inside capture points to contest them, so be it.

Im fine with the rewards and the toughness of capture points, i just wish it would be hard doing the mission instead of it being hard to claim the rewards afterwards.

 

 

Anyways, Ive shared enough of my toughts and will probably leave it here with discussing this matter.

Id rather spend my time camping the cappers i guess ?

 

Xait out.

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On 5/7/2018 at 6:50 PM, xait said:

Be adviced: Some strong language may occur.

 

I want to bring up an issue mostly about capping points.

 

So..

Currently when capping you get respect (which is for the most part pretty useless) no matter what, and you get Poptabs (what most people are after) in looting crates. The problem I have is the way the rewards gets distributed.

 

- Story Mode (you may skip to the conclution if you dont like reading) -

Once upon a time I decided to go for a Capture point. I roll out in my amazing Quad bike like the champ i am, I scan the capture point from a "safe" area while sniping off the enemy AI's; One by one they fall to the ground! 

After displaying my awesome sniping skills i decide to drive into the cap point so I can get my hands on those glorious Poptabs. I get the message that says i have to cap for 10 Minutes. Thinking to myself "It's too late for me to turn around now". I decide to continue my mission.

 

[Enemy AI are comming to retake Capture point B]

Fearing for my life i reload my trustworthy sniper rifle.  Redtube Beeg Spankbang I spot the enemy AI and take them all out one by one. 

A few minutes passes as suddenly 2 rapid waves of AI spawn to yet again take over my capture point. There's too many of them. I get overrun and im now hiding amongst 15+ enemy AI just inches away from me. I take off my silencer thinking i need every bullet to do as much dammage as it can, I turn on full auto on my gun thinking spray and pray for dear god..

 

The time has come for me to show what im made of. I pop out from my hiding spot shooting 3 enemy AI's within a few seconds. Knowing that ive drawn their attention towards myself i chug out a few grenades and take out a fuckton of AI's. With the adrenaline rush i now have i run arround shooting everything i see, i take cover like a champ, avoid getting shot at all costs. Ive entered FUCKING RAMBO MODE at this stage!

After killing every AI in the compound i take a quick moment for myself to catch my breath, thinking "dang im a GOD".

 

Ive finally battled for 10 excruciating minutes and with a relief the message pops up "Capture point B has been completed". Thinking to myself ive made it. I locate my glorious reward crates, i rush to the first one so eager to get my hands on the poptabs ive displayed so much skill for.  Thinking now i can finally upgrade my crib so i can build myself a pimping pool i open the first crate.

Twenty Three Mafakking Thousand Poptabs! Im swimming in poptabs now, i can retire!

- Is what i tought...

 

*CRACK*

Choose your respawn location..

 

Turns out little Billy had been chilling in his lovely bush for 10 minutes watching some lovely hentai porn while waiting for me to grab my reward.

 

The End.

 

 

 

Now hopefully you got my point.

Currently there are no reasons for players to contest capture points because they can just claim all of the rewards for themselves when 10 minutes has passed, because they just sit 800 meters away in a bush with a sniper while jerking off.

I believe there should be some secured reward for the

players who actually do the mission. Im talking maybe 40% of the poptabs into their locker once the mission is over (rest in loot crate).

 

I literally did a capture point 30 minutes ago soloing the entire thing only to get sniped off when trying to claim my reward. I know that there were at least 5 Enemy players just camping the crates with snipers. And this is my 4th time in a row getting sniped while looting poptabs.

You may say that i just suck or whatever but you really cant collect your reward because the loot animation freezes you, therefore making you an easy target served on a silver plate.

 

Also i know someone will comment "But you get your respect after capping".. To that i say respect is absolutely useless. I have 100K+ respect and i can spend 2 minutes looting and get better gear than what im starting at with 100k respect.. And please fill me in if theres anything i dont know about that i can use respect for; besides getting a tiny bit better spawn gear.

 

 

- CONCLUTION -

 

The flaw in capping atm is that there is no reason for players to contest CP's. Resulting in players just waiting for other players to start a CP and then just sniping them off after 10 minutes has passed with little to none efforts, while the person who capped is left with nothing but 10K useless respect.

 

A way to fix this is simply (as mentiohned before) give the capper some real reward so its actually worth contesting them instead of just sitting in a bush 800 meters away for 10 minutes. And if people are still just camping in a bush.. well then they loose out on 40% of the poptab reward.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           |  |

I hope someone else has seen this problem and agrees. If you think my idea of locker secured poptabs is shit.. by all means post your opinion below (but show a little respect).   V V

 

 

- Xait

I agree mostly with you guys. There are many things to consider. However, at the end of the day i just wish capturing would be an objective that actually includes capping and contesting.

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